Friday, October 2, 2009

I Watch Them So You Don't Have To

Tweenager shows, that is. They're pretty divisive, especially if you have younger kids and it's easy to see Hannah Montana's toothy smiling face as a big smug symbol of all of the Things Wrong With This Society And Coming For Your Kid. And some of the shows - well, MOST of the shows - are weak and poorly written and ham-acted and kind of nauseating.

Here's the thing, though: ten year olds, eleven year olds? They want to watch different shows than their younger brothers and sisters. They do. It was horrible to realize that my child had OUTGROWN Little Bear and Franklin and all the rest of the shows that I love unreservedly. And our options as parents are not that great: do we let them watch things like SpongeBob Squarepants - which I find INCREDIBLY offensive and disgusting - or to have them just start watching shows aimed at teenagers or adults?

We had banned tweeny shows for AGES and then all at once, I realized that I was making parenting all about ME and MY tastes and that it really wasn't, and that in not letting our kid at least check the shows out, we were segregating her rather unfairly from the other girls in her class. So now we've found a handful of shows that the Girl likes and that don't make us curl up, whimpering. In order from my favorite to my absolute not favorite: WELCOME TO MY NIGHTMARE:

1) iCarly
Our favorite! The household champion!

This genuinely funny show is one of the few NOT churned out by Disney and the accompanying level of commercialism is much lower (a quick search on the Canadian toysRus site only showed a backpack). It's made by Nickolodeon and thus has a lot of gross-out type humour and skips Disney's sappy paper-thin "morality".

Carly lives with her much older artist brother SpenCer in a wacky Seattle apartment - like Max and Ruby, their parents are absent - and makes a popular webshow each week along with her friends Freddy and Sam. Carly is a good kid, and her friend Freddy is the victim of his hilariously hovering, over-protective mother, and her friend Sam is possibly the most hilariously transgressive female teenager I've ever seen on tv. She carries pork chops in her pockets for future snacking needs! She is somewhat violent, bad-tempered, in CONSTANT trouble at school, mooches off her friends, is lazy and is a loyal, honest friend to Carly.

Every adult on the show - except for SpenCer and the school principal - is either demented or malevolent or insane or just sort of disgusting. The kids are sassy and disrespectful but are also good-hearted, loyal and don't mean any harm and their dumb hijinks ALWAYS gets them into trouble. ALWAYS. The show rarely goes for sappy, manipulative endings - like Carly's webshow, it just wants to make you laugh. (also? SpenCer is an attractive fellow.)

Nowheymama: My biggest iCarly parental point so far: "Everyone on this show says, 'Oh my god,' but that is not something we say, IS IT?"

Marmite Breath: I've been feeling really guilty for months since I have a raging crush on Spencer. (don't feel guilty! All the ladies love Spencer!)

Barefoot Mommy: I'm not a huge fan of icarly because of the "screaming girl syndrome." That's really the only complaint I have though. As soon as it comes on my daughter is screaming, "AAAAAHHHHIIIIIEEEEE!" Other than that I have to agree that Spencer is not only cute, but hilarious and we do watch that show here. (see? All the ladies love Spencer.)

Janet: We love iCarly. Spenser is my pretend boyfriend so don't even TRY to pretend that he's yours. Just don't. (Janet, Spencer said to tell you that HE ONLY LOVES ME.)

2) The Wizards Of Waverly Place
This is a Disney show, but is for all that clever and charming and sometimes even funny. Three siblings help out at their parents' New York City sub shop, squabble with each other and their parents and use their magical powers to generally get into trouble. It's okay. I do not LOVE it, there are no attractive adult men on the show, but it's all right, and the magical element of the show is appropriately magical and amusing. The movie that accompanied the series was surprisingly good. (There are no attractive men in this show. Not one.)

LoriD: I love The Wizards of Waverly Place. The main character is hilarious (and beautiful) - watch for her to be a major talent.

3) Hannah Montana
It's a much more innocent show than you might think but it's still not any good. The acting is hammy, the plots are dumb, it's rarely funny at all, all of the young male actors are doofy-looking (WHAT IS UP WITH THAT?), Miley spends much of the show chasing boys around and yet I get the appeal - if I was 9, this would be the BEST SHOW EVER. Boy-chasing regular girl by day, ROCK STAR BY NIGHT.
As an adult though? IT IS JUST AWFUL.
(Billy Ray Cyrus, however, is awfully good looking, and his dad character is appealing, devoted and kind-hearted.)

Barefoot Mommy: I can't stand Hannah Montanna because she has a lisp. Maybe that's mean... but I don't understand how she became a famous performer... with a lisp.

4) True Jackson VIP
I don't know any kid who watches this. It looks fairly average, from the brief clips I've seen.

5) Sonny With A Chance
We haven't watched this one, either. It might be okay, but it is from Disney, so I'm assuming it's Hannah Part 2.

A Trailer Park Mom: Sonny With A Chance is nothing like Hannah Montana. It's corny, but funny. At least my girls think it is. And I'll admit that I laughed a time or two.

Steph at RedClayDiaries: You could try Sonny with a Chance. It is surprisingly un-Disney. Maybe because they decided to branch out and hire ACTORS.

6) Life With Derek
(I forgot this one! We've never watched it, but I know kids who like it.)
LoriD: We also enjoy Life With Derek (a Canadian show). It's a little corny, but mostly full of family values and harmless hijinx.

7) Drake And Josh
(another one I forgot. Apparently, we do not watch as much tv as I thought.)
katdish: You really should check out some old episodes of Drake and Josh. The actress that plays Carly was their little sister, and Spencer was a character named "Crazy Steve".I heart that show...

8) Zoey 101
(Another one I forgot! This one started Britney Spear's little sister who - whoops! - got knocked up and then the show was cancelled.)
LoriD: I HATE Zoey 101 and it's not allowed in our house. The subject matter is just too old/serious for my tween.

9) The Suite Life On Deck
A spinoff from The Suite Life of Zac and Cody and the worst show ever made.

See, there are these twin boys and they go to school on a cruise ship, which probably sounds glamorous to SOMEONE. There are a few other characters, including London Tipton, world's richest girl and Paris Hilton clone except she isn't rampantly promiscuous. She is, however, a moron. But that's okay! So is everyone else on the show - man, woman, child - all idiots. And never ever funny.

Also, there is something WRONG with the boys who play Zac and Cody - one in particular has deep purple circles under his eyes and little stick arms and a narrow caved-in chest. Stop making that sick kid ACT (however badly) AND TAKE HIM TO THE DOCTOR.
(There are absolutely no attractive men on this show. Does it sound like there would be?)

Jeni: I did (unfortunately) see an episode of Suite Life on Deck about a month ago. It was painful. Nauseating. Excruciating. Terrible. And just...bad.

Steph/RedClayDiaries: Suite Life is my least favorite show in the history of television. All television. Ever.

Any thoughts on the shows (especially the ones I haven't watched or mentioned)? Let me know.

48 comments:

Christine said...

we are not quite there just yet since my kids are young yet. but i know it is coming...i've definitely heard good things about the wizard show.

Nowheymama said...

"They want to watch different shows than their younger brothers and sisters." Exactly. K. loves iCarly and has shown no interest in the rest of the shows. She tried Hannah Montana once and didn't like it nearly as much. (I'll keep the Wizards show in mind in case she wants to branch out.) My biggest iCarly parental point so far: "Everyone on this show says, 'Oh my god,' but that is not something we say, IS IT?"

Julie Julie Bo Boolie said...

we don't have cable so my kids mostly watch DVDs. They've definitely been drifting away from animated lately though. Two favourites right now are Inkheart and Journey To The Centre of the Earth.

Lisa Wheeler Milton said...

But I do, have to. Or so it would seem.

I don't mind iCarly either and both my kids love it.

Jeni said...

We don't have cable, and my daughter is only 3 anyway, so I haven't seen most of these shows. However, I did (unfortunately) see an episode of Suite Life on Deck about a month ago. It was painful. Nauseating. Excruciating. Terrible. And just...bad.

A Trailer Park Mom said...

Love Wizards of Waverly Place. It's our favorite show. Never seen iCarly or True Jackson VIP. We don't watch Nickelodeon much because the kids see all the commercials & I hate hearing, "I want..."

Sonny With A Chance is nothing like Hannah Montana. It's corny, but funny. At least my girls think it is. And I'll admit that I laughed a time or two.

Anyway... The bottom of our list is Hannah Montana.

Beck said...

Trailer Park Mom - Nickolodeon shows are played on a different channel in Canada, so the ad thing doesn't factor in for us. I can see that being a problem, though.

Suburban Correspondent said...

You know what's sad? Is that you have to choose among tween shows. Back in the day, there were cartoons for the younger ones and shows for the rest of the family. Once a kid didn't want cartoons, he/she just watched Bob Newhart/Mary Tyler Moore/Cosby/Family Ties etc. with his/her parents, and everyone got to enjoy entertainment together. Are there any decent shows for the whole family anymore? I wouldn't even know, not having bothered to pay for cable for 20 years now.

And, yes, I know I sound crotchety; but Meagan Francis mentioned the lack of good all-around family shows recently, also - and I think she's 10 years younger than me.

Chrissy said...

I'm glad you watch them so I don't have to. I agree that any crappy show is made more tolerable by an attractive man.

Beck said...

Suburban Correspondent - There ARE shows that we watch together as a whole family. Mythbusters, Survivorman... that sort of thing. Amazing Race is family-friendly, too.
I actually don't think that the Cosby Show and Family Ties and so on were all that family friendly at all - a lot of them were issues-driven, and frankly, I don't want my kids exposed to a lot of issues right now. On the other hand, there is something to be said for a show that everyone watches together instead of this sad image of everyone watching tv alone.

Steph @Red Clay Diaries said...

I agree on all counts. Suite Life is my least favorite show in the history of television. All television. Ever.

Okay, it might be tied with the Scooby Doo shows that featured Scrappy Doo. Those were also awful.

You could try Sonny with a Chance. It is surprisingly un-Disney. Maybe because they decided to branch out and hire ACTORS.

My 9yo loves Suite Life and constantly asks me, "Don't you think THAT was funny?" Sure, Sweetie. I always groan and pinch my eyebrows together when I laugh.

kgirl said...

My only thoughts are that I am cancelling cable when my kid turns 8.

Erin M. said...

We are still into Little Bear and other Noggin treats, so we're not quite to this point yet (fortunately, because I'm dreading it). I do share your distaste for Miley (she just canceled her concert here in KC for tomorrow night--strep throat. I'm sure the tweens will be quite depressed), but I'm sure we'll have to try her show eventually. I also can't stand Sponge Bob.

I don't know how I'll handle all of this when we get older. For now, I'm blissfully happy that my girls love Laurie Berkner, Little Bear, Little Bill, Olivia and Super Why, etc...

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Janet said...

My kids have only rarely seen the Disney-produced shows for tweens because we don't get the Disney channel and we're always busy on Saturday mornings! Hooray!

We love iCarly. Spenser is my pretend boyfriend so don't even TRY to pretend that he's yours. Just don't.

CAQuincy said...

Thank you for this!

I have also realized that my 9 year old daughter might want to watch other things than Spongebob (which--I'm sorry--but my whole family loves). I got her the first two High School Musical movies (knowing that she had seen them at friends' houses and seemed to somewhat like them), but... she was all, "meh," and we hardly ever get them out.

She just isn't into ANY of these shows/genres yet. iCarly is the one that I've been most willing to flip to for her benefit, as the little bit I've seen of it has been kinda funny and cute (and tolerable to the adults!), but she only has a passing interest in it. And frankly, it usually comes on right as I'm getting the kids to bed, so 10 minutes is about the max we see of it.

I usually make it a point to watch TV with my kids--we all watch the same things together. I want to know what they're watching, and I want to be a part of that experience with them. Except for the occasional emergency-babysitter-movie-so-that-Mom-can-get-stuff-done-around-the-house (and that hardly happens anymore since my kids are older now), we all watch the same shows as a family.

Yeah--I also try to read the same books they're reading, too. I swear I'm not helicoptering! I'm just curious what keeps their attention, and I want to be able to discuss the stories with them and make sure they understand it, and be included in a tiny part of their world.

Barefoot_Mommy said...

I'm not a huge fan of icarly because of the "screaming girl syndrome." That's really the only complaint I have though. As soon as it comes on my daughter is screaming, "AAAAAHHHHIIIIIEEEEE!" Other than that I have to agree that Spencer is not only cute, but hilarious and we do watch that show here.

I can't stand Hannah Montanna because she has a lisp. Maybe that's mean... but I don't understand how she became a famous performer... with a lisp.

Marmite Breath said...

I've been feeling really guilty for months since I have a raging crush on Spencer. In fact, when my kids are watching the show on Netflix, they shout me to come into the room because "Speeeeeeeencer's on" and they say it in that way that kids do when they are saying the name of the boy you like but if they say it in front of anybody you will die of shame because OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi. I'm 12.
Not really, I'm 33 and here goes, "I LOVE SPENCER!"
(or is it Spenser?) That seems a bizarre spelling for such a hot guy. Shutting up now.
Oh, the iCarly show? Funny.

katdish said...

You really should check out some old episodes of Drake and Josh. The actress that plays Carly was their little sister, and Spencer was a character named "Crazy Steve".

I heart that show...

LoriD said...

My daughter loves Hannah Montana. I get the appeal, but don't enjoy it myself. I actually like the Jackson character best.

I love The Wizards of Waverly Place. The main character is hilarious (and beautiful) - watch for her to be a major talent.

We also enjoy Life With Derek (a Canadian show). It's a little corny, but mostly full of family values and harmless hijinx.

I HATE Zoey 101 and it's not allowed in our house. The subject matter is just too old/serious for my tween.

kyslp said...

My boys are 6 and 9 and they don't watch those shows, yet. (Thank goodnesss.) They went through a phase where they watched Drake and Josh. I didn't mind that too much.

They watch Discovery Kids and The Science Channel much of the time.
Flight 29 Down and Endurance are two of their favorites.

Hairline Fracture said...

Miss Pink at 6 doesn't watch any of these except iCarly which a friend of hers likes...and I like it for the same reasons you mentioned. And I never noticed how hot Spencer is until you mentioned it. He definitely makes it easier to watch; and although his character is just clueless, it's funny.

Sarah said...

I've encouraged my girls' iCarly obsession because I couldn't stand to watch another episode of Dora. I. Could. Not. Do. It.

Thank you for creating a forum where it's ok to have a mini-crush on Spencer.

I've found I've had to make a few parental points, and I claim that's why I watch the show with them. Like when my 4 yr old proclaimed that her hat was suckish. But it kind of was.

Ok, FINE. I'll say it. Sometimes I ask if my girls want to watch iCarly because I kind of want to.

Subspace Beacon said...

How about the Jonas Brothers's show? I watched it once & it was HORRIBLE. It made Full House look like cerebral. Fortunately my boys didn't care for it at all.

I don't think Amazing Race is family friendly. Everyone on it is angry. They yell. They roll their eyes in scorn and talk trash about their opponents. My kids call it The Angry Show.

I permit (or rather: force) my kids to watch Star Trek w/ me. Otherwise they're tv viewing is still pretty much Playhouse Disney or TVO or PBS or Treehouse and their ilk.

Beck said...

Subspace - I've never even seen Amazing Race, so duly noted.

Recovering Sociopath said...

Is this less of an issue for boys? Because I only have boys so far, and this is making me grateful.

We don't have a teevee, so their viewing is limited right now to our DVD collection and hilariously bad old cartoons on Hulu. I've thought about what I will and won't allow them to watch when they are older. Right now I'm leaning toward Overly Strict And They Can Just Suck It Up And Deal If Everybody Else Gets To Watch It.

But then, I also swore before they were born that McDonald's food would never cross their lips. HA!

Omaha Mama said...

So I probably have a whole post of this that I should type up...but I'll just ramble here. My B is six and suddenly tired of Wonder Pets and other "preschool" shows. Yes, she calls them that. So we watch Disney channel and she spent the summer falling in love with all of it. I used teachable moments to say things like, "Miley really shouldn't speak to her brother that way" and "Zack and Cody should really miss their mother more than they do" and so on. Then I realized my six-year old was talking much too sassy, a lot more like a tween. So we cut it WAY down, she can pick one 1/2 hour a day. And it got better. We (the Hubs and I) get embarrassed because we actually know the Wizards storyline and totally watched the recent movie as a family. Alex is a rude little wizard, but B recognizes that and says things like, "I'm sure Selena Gomez isn't like that in real life, it's just the character that she plays", so I'm okay with that. I just think they use words like stupid and idiot way too much and are always seeking trouble in the name of a plot climax.

I guess I just really should've written that post, huh? I get what you are saying here, I do. And another tricky spot we get in is when the kids want to watch separate things. Sigh. That's a whole other post.

InTheFastLane said...

it is tricky in my house cuz the 10 yo doesn't want to watch the 4 yo's shows and the 15 yo doesn't want to watch the 10yo OR the 4yo's shows. the 15 yo has outgrown the tween shows, but will still watch icarly sometimes. Personally, they all make me want to run away and Drake and Josh is blech!

Adventures In Babywearing said...

I enjoy iCarly with my boys! I still put on Little Bear every chance I get.

Steph

painted maypole said...

oh, oh, oh do I dread these shows. but I do fear that soon our daughter will get the ostracization (is that word?) that comes from not watching them. ack. right now, though, she is happy to do without them

i hate, hate, HATED Hannah when I watched an episode of it over a year ago to test it out. the REAL moral they taught? "it's funny to put other people down!"

(FYI I saw a pair of iCarly shoes just the other day)

LEstes65 said...

LOVE iCarly. I'm saving myself for SpenCer but confess to a small crush on Freddy. Sam totally rocks. I agree with your friend - the "Oh my GOD" in every episode really grates on me. Will you still be friends with me if I tell you Sponge Bob regularly makes me laugh by butt off? Just recently saw Wizards for the 1st time. It's not as bad as I thought. And as a fantasy-loving Christian, I have no problem letting my kids watch it because they know God is God and TV is pretend. Hannah I can deal with. I'm glad I have two boys. But I will say Mylie Cyrus can actually sing. Her speech issues are due to the wacked out job they did in trying to straighten her teeth. And I don't know - did they just replace them with a whole new upper mandible? It's insanity. They don't fit her mouth and as a singer, that's deadly. But she has the pipes. I'll give her that. I've True Jackson once. It was ok. I love the actress. She is incredibly lovely. The rest of the cast is unfortunately rather interchangeably forgettable. Drake & Josh - we were/are regular viewers and only checked out iCarly because of the actor tie ins. Suite Life: it has made me laugh. There. I said it. My boys love it. It doesn't make me puke. Therefore I let them watch it. By the way, my word verification is tallapo. I'm sure that means something.

Nowheymama said...

Oh! And one show that both K. and her brother enjoy (and their parents don't hate) is Phineas and Ferb. Yes, it's a cartoon.

Gretchen said...

iCarly is how my kids discovered Fred when he guest-starred on an episode.

One of my children now wants to BE Fred. He sounds like Fred, jokes like Fred. He IS Fred in my own home. If you don't know who Fred is, search for him at YouTube.

We suspended our satellite service 2 months ago, but the memories of Carly and Fred keep us warm.

Nicole said...

My kids suddenly stopped enjoying Treehouse and I was quite sad about it. I loved Toot and Puddle. Anyway, they are really into this cartoon called Dino Squad which I would really recommend as it is all about teamwork and saving the world, and is not offensive. Also, everything is a mutant, so my boys think it is awesome.

Mary-LUE said...

I think you pretty much nailed it w/your tween show review.

One day my daughter was watching the Suite Life when they still just lived/hung out in a hotel. The boys' dad had moved to town and the boys were taking turns using his apartment. I sat there in shock as they made a couple of references to why you'd want to use your dad's apartment. I banned the show. I know it was just one episode but, Jeez Louise, it was too much for me.

Alyssa Goodnight said...

We're not watching any of those yet (I've never even heard of iCarly). My favorite part of this post is how you mention (twice!) in the summary of The Wizard of Waverly Place that there are no attractive men on the show. Priorities, right? I'll be filing that info away until I need it. :)

Susanne said...

Amazing Race is one of our faves but my kids are older teens. They do, however, have their very un-family-friendly moments. All my kids, male and female, loved Drake and Josh when they were younger and still tune into it once in awhile.

Magpie said...

I'm glad you like iCarly, because I haven't actually watched it, but my first grader has and talks about it all the time. Now I feel a little less like a terrible mother. Though I would like to disconnect the TV and only let her watch Looney Tunes on DVD.

Barb said...

I'm not quite there yet either, Beck. So far we only watch movies we've actually bought for the little ones and very little TV. The few times I've let Cameron watch "cartoons," I've been completely appalled. What on earth are these people thinking!

I'm 59 years old and I'm pretty sure most of what's on TV is not appropriate for ME.

Except American Idol. LOL

Patois said...

Some of the shows I gag at, pure and simple. Others, like iCarly, I can actually watch.

Angeline said...

Oh man! Tell me about how disgusting cartoon nowadays ah... SpongeBob, Flapjack, Chowder...
*faint*

Kyla said...

My oldest is SEVEN and we're already outgrowing the baby/preschool shows.

We love iCarly...the whole family likes this one. Wizards is a good one, too. Drake and Josh is a keeper. That these can be much tamer than cartoons!

Phinneas and Ferb is a GREAT cartoon that appeals to multiple age groups, too.

Barrie said...

I really like iCarly. In fact, I'd like to be in a crowd scene or something on it. Now wouldn't that be fun?!

heidi @ ggip said...

Thanks for the preview of things to come. Right now we ban these shows AND spongebob. But that will probably change in say five years. :)

Jill said...

Hey, I watch True Jackson VP. It's like Icarly, except at a fashion designing place. It's cool! By the way, I'm Jill McGarr's daughter, Ally.

Jennifer said...

I think I'm the only one who finds Suite Life funny. I'm "Opposite Girl." I thought Sonny with a Chance and Wizards to be terribly boring and un-funny. Suite Life (not Suite Life on Deck) makes even me laugh.

Hannah Montana is fascinating with her overbite and smoker's voice. This is terrible: my husband says she looks like she was "rode hard and put up wet." (And he doesn't mean that in a sexual way, so nobody get any ideas...) Did she ever live in a trailor, do ya think? To like or not like? That is the question.

And there IS a REMARKABLE absence of attractive guys on Disney! What is up with that? Do the kids just have a different idea of male cuteness, or what? Hannah Montana is THE WORST. Bizarre. Can't do it.

Here's my theory, however:
THEY WEAR YOU DOWN. There's only so many things that the kids are allowed to watch, so that if they have tv time, it's like whatever is on just automatically becomes the favorite. It can be horrible, they don't care after awhile, at least it's tv! Come to think of it, it's like a big science experiment.

And yes, Cody looks sick.

AND... (sorry this is so long and rambly...)

I'm approaching another age with my almost-15 year old. Now she's still liking Disney shows and singing Disney pop songs, and many or most or all of the girls her age are singing Lady Gaga and talking about shows like The Office and whatever it is they watch these days (it isn't Disney).


Same song, second verse. I remember breaking out the Disney pop cd's years ago in fear and trembling, knowing it would change EVERYTHING.
Now I'm wondering if I'm creating a goofy adult by refusing to move away from THAT. Sometimes I feel happy that she is still so sweet and lovely, and sometimes when I see her friends in bikinis flirting with boys, my stomach flips.

I asked John after one such encounter, "Are we raising a beautiful, talented, sweet, pure young lady who will NEVER GET MARRIED because she doesn't know how to flirt or dance to Lady Gaga???" Ugh.

What's the answer, Beck? I'm sure you know, don't you? Feel free to share.

Jennifer, Snapshot said...

Okay--SO I'm very late to the party, but I just wrote about this, and I'm going to link to your post in mine.

I actually like Suite Life on Deck, and Hannah Montana and Wizards.

Oh--you didn't mention Phineas and Ferb -- they're the best! If you haven't seen it, you'll love it. It's clever and ironic and sometimes subtle.

But like you, I held Amanda off on these shows until she was 9 1/2 or so. By then it was fine, and honestly, she didn't need to be watching them before either. But the 5 year old boy watches too -- so that's my problem.

Reluctant Housewife said...

My kids love iCarly and hubs and I were pleasantly surprised to find it funny and watchable. I agree about SpenCer (I thought it was just me).

huh.

Don't like the rest of this stuff, though... Luckily my kids are still too young for most of these.

thanks for the list!